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Post by Prime Good on Jul 19, 2008 6:52:55 GMT -5
Scuotiossa, This is for you. I've fully changed my mind on the subject, maybe time travel in the series is supposed to follow the criteria of 'Predestination Paradox': en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_paradoxSee 'Twelve Monkeys', starring Bruce Willis and Brad Pitt. The best movie depicting this "model" of time travel so far. The Ghostbusters or the ghosts can't change the past... they are part of that same past everytime they travel backwards... it's everything already "set in the stone" from the start, so to speak. In fact, the 'Predestination Paradox' explains everything ... I was known to this theory. Even though I believe more than that says that traveling in time create branches and thunderstorms. Example. Imagine I return back in 1987 to revive the period Filmation's Ghostbusters. Imagine that I decide to stay at that time, there would be two future: one in which I am party and never returned and .... one in which there are two me, a younger and an older. Thanks Prime Good! Scuotiossa, Since I'm a sci-fi writer, I'm very accustomed to time travel theories and their ENDLESS implications... Because the Ghost Busters/Ghostbusters were created by Zero (who supposedly comes from a distant future, even beyond Futura's origin year), and the 1986 Ghostbusters travelled backwards (or forwards) countless times, it's SAFE to assume the timeline is already set, and each time travel trip and its following "effects" are ALREADY incapsulated into the continuum from the start. 'Interdimensional Branching' is a wonderful (an fascinating) theory, but LESS safe and heavily confusing.
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Post by jackkongthird on Jul 22, 2008 7:22:25 GMT -5
true, who knows who the f**k is zero, maybe he's a monster from another world as well, an alien, that would be very funny if you ask me. that's why i love this series so much, it's full of mystery. i love time travel and i love the way you explain it, prime good.
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Post by Scuotiossa on Jul 22, 2008 8:08:22 GMT -5
true, who knows who the f**k is zero, maybe he's a monster from another world as well, an alien, that would be very funny if you ask me. that's why i love this series so much, it's full of mystery. i love time travel and i love the way you explain it, prime good. The way expressed by Prime Good is fascinating, no doubt ...
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Post by Prime Good on Jul 23, 2008 5:57:45 GMT -5
Scuotiossa,
MMMMmmmmm I'm now wondering why Prime Evil - who can oversees "past" and "future" - insist to want changing time when everything is "set in the stone" and his attempts are PART of the way things have gone...
Do you need an example?
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Post by Scuotiossa on Jul 23, 2008 11:00:25 GMT -5
No no, no example... It is hard to understand in fact why Prime Evil, once conquered the future, it wants to turn back time, year by year and conquiastare also all the past ... And as interesting thing...
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Post by Prime Good on Jul 23, 2008 11:21:07 GMT -5
No no, no example... It is hard to understand in fact why Prime Evil, once conquered the future, it wants to turn back time, year by year and conquiastare also all the past ... And as interesting thing... He can't do that. Every attempt to change the past turns into a pre-determined PART of the past itself... I bet Prime Evil can't really "oversees" past and/or future, otherwise he would "oversees" himself trying to change them as well... A better explanation: The time traveller's actions in the past have already "happened", even before the time traveller would travel back in the past in order to make those actions. In the effort to "change" the past, the time traveller determinates that SAME past he is trying to "change". So I bet Prime Evil can't really oversee past and future...
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Post by nix on Jul 25, 2008 8:59:33 GMT -5
Let's try looking at it this way: when you travel into the past or the future, you become a part of established events. Therefore, any actions you take at that point in time and space will affect that timeline: you can be born in 1985, but you can die in 1890 or 2340. If 1890, you will never have been born at all, and if in 2340...well, someone will say that you ran off and joined the circus as you will have been born, but disappeared.
HOWEVER...entities such as Prime Evil and his gang most likely exist OUTSIDE of time and space--which is why I said that the Fifth Dimension is the void between dimensions, unaffected by time. As for the Ghostbusters, we can chalk that up to perception filters or something of that nature, to explain away the fact that King Arthur, cavemen, ancient Egyptians, etc. seem to take their presence in stride.
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Post by Prime Good on Jul 25, 2008 13:53:17 GMT -5
HOWEVER...entities such as Prime Evil and his gang most likely exist OUTSIDE of time and space--which is why I said that the Fifth Dimension is the void between dimensions, unaffected by time. As for the Ghostbusters, we can chalk that up to perception filters or something of that nature, to explain away the fact that King Arthur, cavemen, ancient Egyptians, etc. seem to take their presence in stride. 1- Interesting. So, in your view, it's NOT the Ghost World, but a kind of "interdimensional pocket". 2- Perception filters? COOL! Maybe those uniforms have special abilities, after all...
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Post by nix on Jul 26, 2008 9:52:02 GMT -5
1- Interesting. So, in your view, it's NOT the Ghost World, but a kind of "interdimensional pocket". 2- Perception filters? COOL! Maybe those uniforms have special abilities, after all... 1: Yes. That's exactly it. It'd help to explain A) how Prime Evil can see all of time and space to collect his magical items, B) why he always wants to take over our world, quite often with our own weaknesses (our dependence upon oil, nuclear weapons, etc.) and C) why we never really see anyone else outside of Hauntquarters, save for those minions-for-hire like the K-nig-ht of Terror. There IS a "Ghost World", but the Fifth Dimension probably isn't it. 2: A perception filter is a psychic field which allows you to "cloud men's minds" a la the Shadow, so that, to a Roman guard, for example, you'd appear as a Roman without having to change into the proper garb. I imagine the gadgetry required to pull this off is located in the Comm-Links the Ghostbusters wear.
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Post by Prime Good on Jul 26, 2008 17:23:40 GMT -5
1- Interesting. So, in your view, it's NOT the Ghost World, but a kind of "interdimensional pocket". 2- Perception filters? COOL! Maybe those uniforms have special abilities, after all... 1: Yes. That's exactly it. It'd help to explain A) how Prime Evil can see all of time and space to collect his magical items, B) why he always wants to take over our world, quite often with our own weaknesses (our dependence upon oil, nuclear weapons, etc.) and C) why we never really see anyone else outside of Hauntquarters, save for those minions-for-hire like the K-nig-ht of Terror. There IS a "Ghost World", but the Fifth Dimension probably isn't it. 2: A perception filter is a psychic field which allows you to "cloud men's minds" a la the Shadow, so that, to a Roman guard, for example, you'd appear as a Roman without having to change into the proper garb. I imagine the gadgetry required to pull this off is located in the Comm-Links the Ghostbusters wear. 1- Yes, you convinced me. Anyway, I still think that the FGB timeline is one and only, and Prime Evil can't really oversee the past and its details: otherwise he would assist to his henchmen's unsuccessful attempts to "change" past (unsuccessful because the Ghostbusters) I guess the Predestination Paradox rules upon the FGB universe with an iron fist, and the time travellers's actions "belong" to past from the start. 2- Great theory !!!!!!!!!!!!! I pretty much see their special uniforms "performing" that.
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Post by nix on Jul 27, 2008 11:01:35 GMT -5
That, and the Comm Links' perception filters also translate languages in a manner similar to the Babel Fish.
All this, of course, leads to the inescapable conclusion that Mr. Zero has at least some access to Time Lord technology.
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Post by Prime Good on Jul 27, 2008 13:13:10 GMT -5
All this, of course, leads to the inescapable conclusion that Mr. Zero has at least some access to Time Lord technology. Zero comes from a very distant future. For instance, Ghost Buggy is a weird combination/hybridation between advanced technology and organic matter (or magic ). Time Lord?
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Post by Scuotiossa on Jul 28, 2008 7:58:54 GMT -5
I have a theory easier ... We are all aware of the past ... We live the present time, but do not know the future ... I believe that the future is predestined anyway, but uncertain at the same time ... So any change in the past and in the present would also vary the future ... And I believe that when we enter into a timeline (in the past, for example), we can make changes that will affect the future ... However, the consequences are unimaginable... Crushing a butterfly in prehistoric times, could lead to a series of events from (theoretically) destroy the current present... An episode of "The Simpson" was set so ...
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Post by Prime Good on Jul 28, 2008 12:22:40 GMT -5
I have a theory easier ... We are all aware of the past ... We live the present time, but do not know the future ... I believe that the future is predestined anyway, but uncertain at the same time ... So any change in the past and in the present would also vary the future ... And I believe that when we enter into a timeline (in the past, for example), we can make changes that will affect the future ... However, the consequences are unimaginable... Crushing a butterfly in prehistoric times, could lead to a series of events from (theoretically) destroy the current present... An episode of "The Simpson" was set so ... EXACTLY! That's why it's easy to assume that the FGB timeline is ruled by the Predestination Paradox... otherwise "the" future of Futura and Zero would be compromised at any foolish attempt to "change" past... So there's one "fixed" past and one "fixed" future in the FGB timeline, and time travels are incorporated.
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Post by nix on Jul 29, 2008 12:18:05 GMT -5
I have a theory easier ... We are all aware of the past ... We live the present time, but do not know the future ... I believe that the future is predestined anyway, but uncertain at the same time ... So any change in the past and in the present would also vary the future ... And I believe that when we enter into a timeline (in the past, for example), we can make changes that will affect the future ... However, the consequences are unimaginable... Crushing a butterfly in prehistoric times, could lead to a series of events from (theoretically) destroy the current present... An episode of "The Simpson" was set so ... How's that again?
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