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Post by nix on Sept 26, 2008 10:02:27 GMT -5
What does Jake say in the first episode? He says that the Dematerializer sends ghosts back to wherever they came from, but only temporarily. Oh, by the way, Trogdor, I have another suggestion for you: two small joystick buttons (one to charge, the other to fire) are included on the top of the Dematerializer Mark II's handles, and you press them with your thumbs.
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trogdor
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Post by trogdor on Sept 27, 2008 2:51:07 GMT -5
What does Jake say in the first episode? He says that the Dematerializer sends ghosts back to wherever they came from, but only temporarily. Oh, by the way, Trogdor, I have another suggestion for you: two small joystick buttons (one to charge, the other to fire) are included on the top of the Dematerializer Mark II's handles, and you press them with your thumbs. Unless you show me the actual buttons in a screen shot, I'll stick the the pressure sensitive method. My question is what powers them? I think it might be zero-point energy. Look it up, it's an awesome idea, and could solve the energy problems. Also Hyperdiamenional physics might have a key to playing in this. I wonder what today's version of the dematerializer would look like. But I still prefer the mini ones, easier to carry, and just as effective.
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Post by Prime Good on Sept 27, 2008 3:19:35 GMT -5
What does Jake say in the first episode? He says that the Dematerializer sends ghosts back to wherever they came from, but only temporarily. Maybe Jake thinks they all come from FUTURE, especially at the time the first episode is set.
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Post by nix on Oct 15, 2008 13:16:52 GMT -5
The ray exiled the offending spirit out of this mortal coil of extience, not into limbo per se, but rather to a distant point in time via a time shift where they can pose no threat in our era. According to the episode entitled "Dr.Whatshisname" Dr.Frankenstein and his monster were going to be dispatched 500 years in time, but that setting was too high, so Kong adjusted the unseen controls behind the apparatus. So, The Ghost Dematerializer is, in essence, a portable time machine for unruly entities. Or, perhaps, what Kong meant was, he was about to banish them to wherever they came from FOR 500 years--in other words, they wouldn't be able to get out for that period of time!
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Post by Prime Good on Oct 15, 2008 13:26:39 GMT -5
The ray exiled the offending spirit out of this mortal coil of extience, not into limbo per se, but rather to a distant point in time via a time shift where they can pose no threat in our era. According to the episode entitled "Dr.Whatshisname" Dr.Frankenstein and his monster were going to be dispatched 500 years in time, but that setting was too high, so Kong adjusted the unseen controls behind the apparatus. So, The Ghost Dematerializer is, in essence, a portable time machine for unruly entities. Or, perhaps, what Kong meant was, he was about to banish them to wherever they came from FOR 500 years--in other words, they wouldn't be able to get out for that period of time! Very good suggestion, but that's not the case in the animated series. Or so I think... Or maybe time doesn't really matter to Ghosts, and 500 years could feel as 500 seconds in their perspective and "existence span". We should re-watch that part: I need a dialogue transcript as far as that sequence in the live action series is concerned! PLEASE, Nix, help me!
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Post by nix on Oct 15, 2008 18:43:39 GMT -5
Very good suggestion, but that's not the case in the animated series. Or so I think... Well, in the live-action series, it looks like even the GBs themselves don't know how the Dematerializer works, but it's more in the sense of "who cares HOW it works, just so long as it works!" This is why I'm more inclined to believe that Kong is making stuff up with the 500 years setting: for all we know, the dial could refer to the power level, but it just says "500", and so he jumps to the conclusion that it measures "years". Of course, in the animated series, they may have done a little bit of research on the etheric plane, even going so far as to pinpoint its exact space/time coordinates [this is how Madame Why knows about the Ghostbusters: her clairvoyant abilities helped their fathers along in this task]! However, by the time they'd accomplished all this, Prime Evil was already carving a hole into our plane, setting up the Scareway along the path, and ensuring that it opens into any given point in time and space. THAT is why the ghosts don't stay in their dimension until another opening comes along [the 500 years thing]--there's already a great big two-way tunnel between the worlds, functioning in much the same manner as the switch on a train track. I'll check out the DVD-Rom script books, by the way.
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Post by Prime Good on Oct 16, 2008 3:08:26 GMT -5
Well, in the live-action series, it looks like even the GBs themselves don't know how the Dematerializer works, but it's more in the sense of "who cares HOW it works, just so long as it works!" This is why I'm more inclined to believe that Kong is making stuff up with the 500 years setting: for all we know, the dial could refer to the power level, but it just says "500", and so he jumps to the conclusion that it measures "years". Since we should take that as *CANON*, no matter what, I just think Zero is an "independent" agent who's developing "new" ghostbusting technology day by day. That would explain a lot of things: 1- Why the Original Dematerializers are portable time machines (among the other things). The "less than 500 years" setting is referred to the time Zero comes from, a time where Ghostbusters know how to "properly" deal with such entities. I bet the Original Dematerializers CAN push the Ghosts into the Limbo State, but Kong Senior was just not paying attention to either the commands or the instruction book. ;D 2- Why the equipment used by the 1986 Ghostbusters is still a "work in progress", and Tracy was forced to work on it. Of course, in the animated series, they may have done a little bit of research on the etheric plane, even going so far as to pinpoint its exact space/time coordinates [this is how Madame Why knows about the Ghostbusters: her clairvoyant abilities helped their fathers along in this task]! Yeah, the first episode(s) of the animated series showed us how much Prime Evil has "evolved" in comparison to the 1975 Ghosts; he wasn't caring for the pa*sing of time, so to speak. Thus I agree with you, Kong Senior was still unaware of the basic functions of the Original Dematerializer, he only knew how to set the time coordinates, not the "dimensional" coordinates. The ghost should have been sent to the Limbo State, not in the future. Can't wait!
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Post by nix on Oct 16, 2008 8:34:33 GMT -5
Okay...here are the relevant bits from "Dr. Whatshisname": TUCKER (He's setting the switch on the Ghost Ray.)
I'll set it for 500 years; that should send them back far enough!
(He turns the switch; the room is flooded with light.)
STORCH
You set it too high! Down, down!
TUCKER (fiddling with the switch)
It won't go down!
(frustrated with the switch)
C'mon switch--go down...down...down...
(the switch turns)
There!
(TUCKER points the ray at FRANKENSTEIN and THE MONSTER; they POP OFF.) Oddly enough, we're led to believe that the Dematerializer, while still being a portable time machine, sends them BACK through time...unless the setting could also mean it'll take them 500 years to reach our world...in The Ghost Busters, it seems like the Ghosts of the Week have to go through a long, arduous journey in order to reach our world, and they have to spend such a long time in the Haunted Mansion because they've used up so much energy in order to get to the graveyard, which is the only "doorway", so to speak, and they want to set up other checkpoints around the world, but Zero's agents--The Ghost Busters--are preventing them from performing this task.
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Post by Prime Good on Oct 16, 2008 9:24:04 GMT -5
FINALLY! You're pretty much right, Nix. It isn't the future, nor the past, rather the "length" of "dimensional" time-tissue it takes to travel through in order to reach OUR world. The Fifth Dimension is "in the middle", of course. It's clear that Prime Evil changed everything...
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Post by nix on Oct 16, 2008 16:55:08 GMT -5
You know what, Prime? There's a section of the I-94 called "Half Day Road"; before it was paved over to create the Illinois Tollway, it presumably took travelers half a day to get from point A to point B. It's the same thing here: in the live-action series, it was a long and tiresome voyage to get from the etheric plane to the physical plane--it's no wonder the female ghosts were always so grouchy!--but by the time the Animated Series takes place, the Scareway had already been constructed, and it no longer took half a day to cross the two planes.
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Post by Prime Good on Oct 16, 2008 17:22:01 GMT -5
Is it me or the CONTINUITY between the two FGBs series is truly INCREDIBLE?! This is pure genius... I don't understand why people fail to see greatness and genius in FGBs. How would you describe the 'Scareway'? An interdimensional tunnel? Who did build that? Prime Evil? And by "etheric plane", do you need the 'Ghost World' or the 'Fifth Dimension'? I tend to think the former one. You know, maybe the FIFTH DIMENSION is just the "plane" where they (Prime Evil?) set the 'Scareway'...
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Post by nix on Oct 17, 2008 9:58:43 GMT -5
How would you describe the 'Scareway'? An interdimensional tunnel? Who did build that? Prime Evil? And by "etheric plane", do you need the 'Ghost World' or the 'Fifth Dimension'? I tend to think the former one. You know, maybe the FIFTH DIMENSION is just the "plane" where they (Prime Evil?) set the 'Scareway'... 1: It's an interdimensional tunnel that functions in much the same way as the Stargate--it makes a 500-year voyage a 5-minute hop (i.e. it both shortens the voyage and accelerates the ghost's movement through the dimensions.) However, since it's Prime Evil's plaything, other ghosts can't really get through it, which explains why there are so few non-Prime Evil-episodes, and in all of those, the ghosts were already on Earth. 2: It's a little bit of both, I expect.
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Post by ghstbstrlmliii on Oct 17, 2008 10:37:30 GMT -5
I always thought the "etheric plane" was where something wasn't completely physical. The Ghost World, in a sense yes, but also, it could have manefestations in our world - ie: the ghosts themselves. Ghosts, not of our physical world, are not bound by our physical laws - They can float, fly, pass through objects, etc.
Also, in the movie Ghostbusters, after the encounter with the Library Ghost, Ray says, "We actually touched the etheric plane." I always took it to mean, especially since it was their first real encounter with a ghost, that coming into contact with the etheric plane, was simply coming into contact with something not of our world.
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Post by Prime Good on Oct 17, 2008 14:11:12 GMT -5
How would you describe the 'Scareway'? An interdimensional tunnel? Who did build that? Prime Evil? And by "etheric plane", do you need the 'Ghost World' or the 'Fifth Dimension'? I tend to think the former one. You know, maybe the FIFTH DIMENSION is just the "plane" where they (Prime Evil?) set the 'Scareway'... 2: It's a little bit of both, I expect. Now we know there's even a third "place", the Ghost Limbo.
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Post by Prime Good on Oct 17, 2008 14:12:02 GMT -5
Also, in the movie Ghostbusters, after the encounter with the Library Ghost, Ray says, "We actually touched the etheric plane." I always took it to mean, especially since it was their first real encounter with a ghost, that coming into contact with the etheric plane, was simply coming into contact with something not of our world. True. Terrific scene, even.
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