|
Post by 8bitstar on Jan 19, 2008 1:24:23 GMT -5
Yesterday I was watching Filmation's Ghostbusters, and...
it just struck me how ORIGINAL the cartoon was.
For example, look at its view on ghosts. FGB totally does away with the whole idea that ghosts are the spirits of dead people and instead presents them as physical beings from a different dimension who can be ethereally materialized and dematerialized. They can be afflicted by things like colds, hiccups, or the altitude. They can be frozen or gummed. Heck, they can be robots or gorillas or cyborgs, even!
(What the heck is Prime Evil, anyway?)
Just another hats off to the endless creativity of Filmation!
|
|
|
Post by Prime Good on Jan 19, 2008 10:20:29 GMT -5
Exactly, that's the whole point.
It seems that they are truly "BEINGS" from an alternative plane of existence, but beings nonetheless... I would not be surprised if FGB's ghosts would have an alternative history as well --- an history concerning their alternative Earth, or whatever.
|
|
ghstbstrlmliii
Ghost Buster
Texan Wonder
A whole different "music of the night."
Posts: 156
|
Post by ghstbstrlmliii on Jan 20, 2008 22:34:11 GMT -5
That's interesting. I had never thought about it from that perspective. That would also add to how these beings then affect the "normal" world. IE: The skele-vision and ansa-bone. Those could be other-demensional beings which the GB's chose not to dematerialize.
Prime, you mentioned about the ghosts having an alternate history. I think what would be interesting, is to consider the possibilites on the "normal" world without having the ghostly involvement. The ghosts come and go, changing our history and universe as we know it all the time - hince the need to GBs - however, what if they couldn't go between the parallel universes like that? How different would ours have ended up?
|
|
|
Post by Prime Good on Jan 21, 2008 7:43:44 GMT -5
In fact, our world's original history has been heavily changed by the effects of frequent time-travelling (Zero? Prime Evil, the Ghosts, The Ghostbusters, Futura), and the event-altering actions were ALL linked to the Ghosts's presence in our space-time continuum. Anyway, we should blame the Ghostbusters too...
I think the second Ghostbusters series suggests that the ghosts are somehow DIFFERENT beings made by energy and spiritual matter.
What's about the first series?
|
|
ghstbstrlmliii
Ghost Buster
Texan Wonder
A whole different "music of the night."
Posts: 156
|
Post by ghstbstrlmliii on Jan 22, 2008 1:21:22 GMT -5
Well, I would think that the first series was along the same line of thought about the composition of a ghost - hince the same weapon: The Dematerializer.
However, the first series seems to play on the fact that the ghosts were more connected to our human realm than the cartoon. A lot of the characters were ghost forms of stories or legends here in the "real" world: IE: the ghosts of franenstein and his monster, the wolfman, etc. Almost that, even though they have their own plane of existence, it is highly influenced by ours.
This of course would build our running hypothesis that both worlds would be entirely different without the two realms co-existing.
With regards to time-travel, I completely agree that a changing of timeline is also partially to "blame" (or whatever you wish to call it, haha) on the ghostbusters. I saw the Butterfly Effect. Accepting that theory of time travel, each time they went back could have had more grave consequences than we could even imagine - even if their intentions were good.
|
|
|
Post by tooncapone on Jan 22, 2008 3:09:21 GMT -5
That's very interesting.
It could be possible that all of the ghosts including Prime Evil had past lives.
|
|
|
Post by Prime Good on Jan 22, 2008 17:10:03 GMT -5
. However, the first series seems to play on the fact that the ghosts were more connected to our human realm than the cartoon. A lot of the characters were ghost forms of stories or legends here in the "real" world: IE: the ghosts of franenstein and his monster, the wolfman, etc. Almost that, even though they have their own plane of existence, it is highly influenced by ours. That's the whole point. I think the word "ghost" in both the series is a misinterpretation/misconception. They are counterparts from a parallel plane of existence. For instance, the "Ghost of Wolfman" in the first series is the counterpart of our terrestrial Wolfman, so to speak. We can easily theorize that their world is heavily connected to ours --- weird quantics.
|
|
|
Post by nix on Mar 15, 2008 22:43:18 GMT -5
In fact, our world's original history has been heavily changed by the effects of frequent time-travelling (Zero? Prime Evil, the Ghosts, The Ghostbusters, Futura), and the event-altering actions were ALL linked to the Ghosts's presence in our space-time continuum. Anyway, we should blame the Ghostbusters too... It's all just a lot of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff.
|
|
ghstbstrlmliii
Ghost Buster
Texan Wonder
A whole different "music of the night."
Posts: 156
|
Post by ghstbstrlmliii on Mar 31, 2008 18:55:11 GMT -5
It's all just a lot of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff. But isn't it fun? In regards to the diminsion thing: are we to assume that the "ghost of the wolfman/red barron/etc" is simply that diminsion's version of our terrestial wolfman/etc OR that one our version died, it became the ghost version in the alternate diminsion? I guess simply put: Though connected, is the "ghost" diminsion different than ours, or a continuation?
|
|
|
Post by Prime Good on Apr 6, 2008 15:34:51 GMT -5
Ghstbstr,
Great observation.
It's simple. "Their" dimension is a totally different self-contained continuum, not a a diverged branch of ours.
Said that, "their" Wolfman is *NOT* the spiritual "echo" of a previously-alive Wolfman who inhabited "their" dimension. Not at all! It was/is an outerdimensional spectral entity from day one.
|
|
|
Post by nix on Apr 7, 2008 11:45:45 GMT -5
With regards to time-travel, I completely agree that a changing of timeline is also partially to "blame" (or whatever you wish to call it, haha) on the ghostbusters. I saw the Butterfly Effect. Accepting that theory of time travel, each time they went back could have had more grave consequences than we could even imagine - even if their intentions were good. I think there are safeguards against what you're pointing out. Either that, or it's more to do with the fact that they don't change history in any major way when they *DO* travel through time--the timeline as you and I know it still exists on the grand scale (i.e. our heroes aren't violating any of the Laws of Time--they simply go into a different time zone, complete their objectives, and get the hell out of there before any damage is done. Anyway, my point is, I wouldn't lose sleep over it if I were you. Just remember that the timeline isn't as fragile as you might think at first glance, and that Nature always has a way of correcting any "mistakes" that might occur and maintaining the balance.
|
|
|
Post by Prime Good on Apr 9, 2008 13:45:15 GMT -5
Nix, I was reading a great interview to Robert Zemeckis where he stated something very similar to what you said about time somehow "preserving" itself --- in regards to the 'BACK TO THE FUTURE' saga, which Zemeckis directed.
|
|
|
Post by nix on Apr 10, 2008 10:22:28 GMT -5
Well, I was thinking more about the Time Lords from Doctor Who, but that works too.
|
|
|
Post by Prime Good on Apr 17, 2008 15:50:49 GMT -5
Well, I was thinking more about the Time Lords from Doctor Who, but that works too. The Time Lords?
|
|
|
Post by nix on Apr 17, 2008 21:07:45 GMT -5
Well, I was thinking more about the Time Lords from Doctor Who, but that works too. The Time Lords? Ladies and gentlemen, it appears I have someone to convert to...THE DARK SIDE!!! ( ominous orchestra crash) Try following this link, and your questions will (hopefully) be answered. www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwhoor: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who
|
|